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Obie · Last edited by Obie on Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:12 am; edited 1 time in total

I'd sure like to see someone put togeather a topic on how to build up the ultimate king leader.

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Obie · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:34 am Post subject:

What, no one ties up king leaders?!?!?
I usually just tie an overhand knot then twist the tag end around the leader, it holds tight but it doesn't take long to get fouled around the hook. I think Navarre Bob was saying something about snelling sevenstrand onto trebles, I'd like to see that method.
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capndan · Cobia Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 357 Location: Pensacola

i dont have a camera, but when i tie a leader, i simply use a figure 8 knot at both the swivel and the trebel hook. pull it tight with pliers or somethin, and cut the tag ends around 1/4 inch. its quick and easy, and i haven had one pull on me yet
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Jigslinger · Cobia Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 274 Location: St. louis

Obie, that's how I do it too. I've heard of people running the sevenstrand through the loop of the hook a second time before tying the overhand knot. I usually wrap it up the leader about 1/4" or so before clipping it tight against the leader. I put a black swivel on the top side the same way and make them around 14" long. Anywhere from a #4 to a #1 4x strong treble depending on how big a bait I'm using.
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Things you need:

1. Sevenstrand uncoated wire preferably in 27 or 60 pound. 40 pound is frowned upon in this area for various reasons. Do not use coated wire under any circumstances!
http://www.7strand.com/prod.php?k=50502&sk=0&p=PUR135SA

2. Eagle Claw or VMC treble hooks in sizes 6, 4, 2, 1, or 1/0. The smaller the number, the bigger the hook. The size of the baits will dictate what hook size you choose. Generally speaking, a size 4 is good for cigar minnows of all sizes and small hardtails. Size 1 would be for bigger hardtails and big menhaden. Size 6 would be for Spanish fishing with LY's or finger mullett.
http://www.shootnhunt.com/catalog...bn_2x_treble_hooks/0702-0276.html

3. 30 - 50 pound rated swivels in black color as small as size as you can find. Doesn't matter what brand. Tsunami and Bill Fisher are 2 brands that I have used.

4. A good pair of wire cutters. I only use the best and that is Klein brand electricians pliers. Average price is around 30 dollars. They have absolutely nothing to do with fishing but as an ex electrician myself, I know there is nothing in the fishing industry that will match up to these. I'm sure that Gene Sullivan would vouche for this.
http://crawfordtools.com/klein_journeyman.html

Make the leader:

1. Cut a piece of Sevenstrand about 18 inches long.

2. With the wire in one hand and the treble hook in the other - run one piece of the wire through the eye of the treble hook on the flat shank side. Only run it out to the bends in the hook.

3. Hold one piece of the wire in place and with the other hand start making ten wraps around the shank of the hook making sure the wraps are not on top of each other.

4. After your wraps are done take the other end of the wire and come back through the eye of the hook, and pull it tight.

5. On the free end of the wire tie an overhand granny knot to your swivel. Cut the tag end off as close as possible.

6. Wrap the leader around 2 fingers, pull it off, secure the ends, and store it away.

Boggy Basin Boy · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject:

Bravo Bravo
Calvin lauderdale and shonamen would be proud.
Thanks

Obie · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject:

Now that's what I'm talking about. KUDO's!!!!!! Calvin, you the man!!!!
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T.MASS · Cobia Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 386 Location: GULF BREEZE

Great job Calvin, Ill try to get some pictures of how i do it tomorrow.

reelhard12 · Cobia Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 377 Location: GB

ive done that with mono to make a leader...just never with wire, good job!
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skipperq1 · Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject:

Calvin,

Great job describing the Navarre Twist, but all us "Grumpy Old Men"
use a figure eight knot to tie on a swivel! Easy to tie one: Just put the wire through the swivel eye, wrap over once, then wrap over again, and put the through loop by the swivel eye and clich it down.

cotton · Hardtail Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 21

What is the reason for the preference for sevenstrand over singlestrand wire?

Dow · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject:

Sevenstrand flexes, single strang kinks..... Only significant differance is the play that sevenstrand has. Single is just quicker to tie if you don't have a leader straightener on you and only have access to pliers or something similar.
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Dow · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:

I mean leader twister*
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T.MASS · Cobia Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 386 Location: GULF BREEZE

I start out with an owner size 1 or 1/O hook a swivel and about 3ft of 60# sevenstrand

I put the wire through the eye of the hook and tie an over hand knot

pull the knot tight and start wrapping the wire with 90 degree wraps

make about 6 wraps

trim off tag end of wire

take the swivel and do the same thing as the hook

pull tight and start the wraps

trim tag end

roll up and store away

nb&twil · Cobia Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 486

youll catch more fish if you use 40# seven strand!!!

Jigslinger · Cobia Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 274 Location: St. louis

uh oh!
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capndan · Cobia Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 357 Location: Pensacola

i like 27 or even 18 when the water is clear. i also like my figure 8 knot.
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jmitch · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject:

Amen on 27!
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givnupfreshwater · Ladyfish Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Georgia

Does anyone ever use single stand leader material?

T.MASS · Cobia Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 386 Location: GULF BREEZE

Some people use it but I have seen a lot of fish lost on it so Ill just stick to sevenstrand.

nb&twil · Cobia Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 486

ive caught plenty of fish on single strand, but it seems to kink easier therefore you need to replace it more often. i have caught many fish on the same seven strand leader when they are thick and im too lazy to switch. its not the best idea, but i sure wouldnt feel good about doing it with single strand.

C. Arnold · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

I used 40# for many years it always worked outstanding. Then last year in late ling season i lost three big kings in three casts due to bite throughs. Dan bitched and bitched. I just didnt understand what the deal was? Maybe they were a breed of extra sharp tooth kings!
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Dan is your friend. Thats why he didn't want you to use it.

capndan · Cobia Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 357 Location: Pensacola

yeah clinton, i have lost more fish to bite throughs on 40 than i have landed...heck, ive lost fewer fish on 18 because of bite throughs than 40. i just plain dont like the stuff!
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kingling · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:19 am Post subject:

that is why i am proud to use 60# sevenstrand

nb&twil · Cobia Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 486

Obie · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

I like 27, it usually doesn't get cut unless I'm putting a ton a pressure on the fish, which usually isn't necessary with kings if you fight them long enough. My problem is I get impatient and make them dance too early at the gaff.
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Freespool · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject:

I usually use 60 on my big rod. Definitely early in the year. THen in the summer I will put 27 or even 18 on my stradic or this year little Staal.
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kingling · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:33 am Post subject:

im like travis
i use 60 on my big rod
and use 27 on my sahara

Ryan · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:46 am Post subject:

i used single strand all last year and never lost a king!and it is so much easier to tie so i am gunna stick to that until i start loosing fish..

Fuhrer48 · Redfish Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 110

Well im sittin here right now as we speak trying to tie these leaders with 27lb seven strand. I cant get the wraps nearly as tight as showin in the pictures. Do you all have any tips as to how to wrap it so tightly?
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Fitzy93 · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

Eyeshadow Mullet · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: King Leader

I've heard the advantage of using single strand, is the ability to straighten it up more easily than stranded wire by "rubbing between 2 quarters." Haven't tried that yet ..anyone attest to that?

Also, I know for sure.. had cobe shy away from #60 7-strand when using it for my big king rod, but could anyone attest to getting cobes to hit when using #27?

kingling · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject:

my father just told me that he caught a 30 lb ling on 27 while mackeral fishing

and yes you can straghten leaders with 2 quarters

DukeDevil91 · Bonito Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 85 Location: Mary Esther

I've seen plenty of Cobia caught on bigs on 27# sevenstrand wire.

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jaceboat · Redfish Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 102 Location: pensacola

this is probally a newbie question but why do u not use 40#?

Dan Russell Rat · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject:

No. 4 VMC hooks, 29# Malin single strand, and 70# Bill Fisher (KROK) swivels. Make the leader 12" to 16" long tie it on to 15# pink Ande. Using a 706 and an 8' fiberglass rod you'll jack 'em all day long.
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C.Ness · Cigar Minnow Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 3

I am like Ryan, I use single strand, and I tie the haywire knot, usually with a stinger treble hook.
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P.Sperry · Cobia Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 399 Location: GB

40lb is cursed. i have seen many many fish lost both big and small to it being bit through. just use 60lb for the larger baits and 27lb for smaller baits.
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jaceboat · Redfish Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 102 Location: pensacola

have any of yall used spro power swivels my friend bought a bunch of them in 50lb test and they were like the size of 10 or 20lb swivels. then tuesday my friend had one of the leaders on i made with those swivels on and hooked a jack it held up but his line snapped so im not sure if they will hold up a entire fight.

kingling · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject:

spro swivels=

also
i will always use 60 just becuase i have the piece of mind knowing that i will most likely not get bit through

inshorefisherman · Ladyfish Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 40

70lb kroc swivels are smaller

jaceboat · Redfish Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 102 Location: pensacola