704z Question

Garb · 704z Question

Ok.... Here is the dumbest question yet.....

706z is a manual bail I know this...

704z is a wire bail..... It can be converted to a manual bail.....

Now did Penn ever make straight from the factory a manual bail 704z....

Told ya its a stupid question......

Kingfshr

No Penn never made a Factory manual 704. They did make a Factory Manual kit as a seperate option.

Garb

I have seen one and the guy said it was a 704z
he said he bought it from penn.
It looks identical to the 706z.
The differnce I notice in the 704z and the 706z
The rotor cup is smaller on the 704z
So I am wonder if penn messed up and put a 706z rotor cup and spool on the 704z.

stvtackett

i am not going to say what they never done, but would go with king and say he did not get it from penn. maybe a 706 with a 704 side plate.

Garb

Steve,

How could I tell the 2 apart. Identification wise.

stvtackett

cant really that i know of..., they both have the same everything except. rotor,spool, side plate emblem. maybe someone else can chime in on this one. as conversions are a more recent thing since 706's prices have risen so much. king just finished a conversion, maybe he saw something... i think outlaw just finished one also.

Garb

Oh btw

I am still waiting to see if my supplier has anymore spools. I spoke to them yesterday and they said they might but wasn't sure. I bought the last of what they had in the warehouse in California now they are checking the jersey warehouse. As soon as they let me know I will let you and outlaw know.

stvtackett

Thanks, how did the 707 hunt go???

Garb

Never got up with the one guy.
I missed a 705 on ebay that same day for $30
If the misses gets one she gets one if not oh well.

Kingfshr

The reel I just re-furbed was a 706. I put a 704 side cover on it. The differences between 704 and 706 that I know of are of course the rotor and spool. The keyed washer that secures the rotor to the main shaft is different, and the bearing retainer for the 706 doesn't have the ramp that trips the bail like a 704 has. The 704 retainer will work with a 706 rotor, but the 706 will not work with the 704. At least I don't think it will.

I did buy a 704 on Ebay that had a Coffee Grinder handle on it. Prolly just a 706 handle someone put on it. I got a white knob 706 handle and a nice blue 704 for the price of a new 706 handle.

Garb

So by that being said the easiest thing to do is look and the bearing retainer to see it is ramped or not.

Kingfshr

yeah I think so. One of the good things about Penn reels is the parts availability, and being able to interchange alot of parts.

YankeeFisher

Kingfshr

The black spool 706's came with a torpedo handle at least mine did.

robertyb

The original 706Zs did come with the torpedo handle.

Pier#r

Garb

The only differnce in the 706z and a 704z is the rotor cup and spool.

whiskersticker

both my black spool 706's came with coffee grinder handles

FishAddict

I've got one with a torpedo, the newest ones have a sort of rubberized drag nut plus the grinder handle.

stvtackett

as always great visual aids by dave, however they just cover the z series. if you notice on those schematics the 706z has a extra bearing on the drive train that the 704z do not have part# 55 . that is on the latest models with anodized spool. however on the earlier version regardless of what was stamped on a body it was the same. a 706 rotor should be just a bolt on to a 704 or 705 body with correct retainer and spool washer.

Justin

I have a 704 manual conversion that I believe came from Penn. Has anyone had problems with the line roller not rolling with their 704 manual kit? It rolls if I move it with my finger but it doesn't roll if I pull drag off the reel or when I'm reeling in line. Just wondering if anyone else has run into this? I've oiled it and tried loosening it some with no luck.

stvtackett

justin, the ones i have had were the same way however if pressure was applied the roller would roll just fine.

robertyb

Justin

Thanks Steve and Robert. I'll try that and keep tinkering with it.

T-wagon

I

had two 705 greenies restored, and the Penn manual roller kits I had installed during restoration wouldn't roll properly. I added a roller washer, bushing and roller from the SS series, and it rolls much better, but with the washer, the shaft is a little short to fully thread the nut. If tightened to just the right degree, it might roll perfectly. Some blue threadlock should keep the nut from falling off. Ball bearings should fit, too, but this all starts to add up on the cost. I'm not a tech person. A decent technicican should be able to set up a roller to work perfectly. I think it's important that the roller roll freely, especially under a load. Just MHO.

T-wagon

FishinDon

I ordered a manual kit for my 704Z from Scott's. Somebody on the forum gave me the link. It cost 30 bucks and was delivered in about 3 days. I still have not put it on, as I really don't use it much in fresh water, but I will have it on when I come back to the beach.

robertyb