Reel Stamas
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Braid on the piers ???I keep reading that most of you 'rats' seem to hate to see guys(i.e.-googans) using braid... So is it just the issue with tangled lines being almost impossible to untie & the expense of cutting the tangles when they occur ??? or is it something more ??? I would think the extra distance & strength would make it the 'choice of rats everywhere'... Is it acceptable to use it during Cobia season when most guys are just standing & waiting ??? Or do I need 2 rods so I can 'go w/the flow' & use mono- unless the fish is out of range of mono & then the braid is ok for a long distance shot??? Let the debate begin & if this topic has already been 'beat to  ', then please post the link & I'll read it on my own...
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kingling
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| Quote: | | I keep reading that most of you 'rats' seem to hate to see guys(i.e.-googans) using braid... So is it just the issue with tangled lines being almost impossible to untie & the expense of cutting the tangles when they occur ??? or is it something more ??? I would think the extra distance & strength would make it the 'choice of rats everywhere'... Is it acceptable to use it during Cobia season when most guys are just standing & waiting ??? Or do I need 2 rods so I can 'go w/the flow' & use mono- unless the fish is out of range of mono & then the braid is ok for a long distance shot??? Let the debate begin & if this topic has already been 'beat to ', then please post the link & I'll read it on my own... |
there are a few reason why braid isnt that great on the pier for king fishing
first it is a pain to untangle
secondly there is no strech therefor it can cut through anything including body parts
the only reasons why it is used during ling season is you can throw alot farther with it and if a fish tries to go under the pilings you can usally pull him out
but there are still plenty of people who cobia fish with mono
really i wouldnt worry about what people think about you just use what ever you are confident with and you will probably catch fish
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jewfish
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Mono for kings, unless using small reels and need more line capacity.
Braid for cobes, all the way.
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mike83z
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People usually don't like using brad while King fishing. Depending on the color, braid is hard to see and tangles up easily. Other than that I don't have a problem with braid 
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kingling
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the color isnt the problem
it is so small that it just knots up as soon as you get a tangle
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jon tolar
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like they said...braid for cobes, mono for kings.
It drifts a lot faster than mono and tangles super easily = pain in the 
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jewfish
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I like braid and I don't have much in the way of tangles with it. The problem I get with it is it doesn't sink so the wind will really rip it across the surface in a situation when you are fishing with an east or west wind.
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mike83z
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| kingling wrote: | the color isnt the problem
it is so small that it just knots up as soon as you get a tangle |
I know that the actual color doesn't make a difference in how it tangles up. Was trying to say that braid can be hard to see, so others around you may not see the line, which can result in people getting tangled up if the lines drift together.
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Justin
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I believe in braid, but I have a hard enough time getting the line on the roller without losing my finger using mono. Thats my only problem with king fishing with it. I do believe it has the potential to take a fingertip off cleanly.
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jewfish
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I wouldn't use braid on a reel without a bail nor would I let it sit on my finger. Too many bad things could happen.
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robertyb
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| jewfish wrote: | | I wouldn't use braid on a reel without a bail nor would I let it sit on my finger. Too many bad things could happen. |
I fished fireline for several years for kings with no problems other than it is hard to handline up a snake to release. No real problems with tangles caused I used Crystal which appears white and shows well. I used my Pink fireline one day last trip on a 706Z and several people wanted to buy it and wanted to know where I had found it.
I finally got all the tangled line off my gaff rope and all was mono. No braid at all and I know I gaffed several fish that were caught on braid.
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jewfish
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With my Teramar rods, I can pier slam snake kings with no problem.
BTW, braid is good for burning off those pesky hardtail rigs that get in the way, especially at Okaloosa.
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FishAddict
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Braid also will cut other line when there is a multiple hookup and the lines cross. It was pointed out to me when I first brought a reel out with it on that it is not being considerate of other anglers for this and other reasons mentioned above. Now on smaller rods or cobia fishing I have zero issies with it, as the multiple hookup thing is usually a not an issue.
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kingling
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| Quote: | | I know that the actual color doesn't make a difference in how it tangles up. Was trying to say that braid can be hard to see, so others around you may not see the line, which can result in people getting tangled up if the lines drift together. |
i get what your saying now
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kaferhaus
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I fish braid on every reel I own that can cope with it. I liike it so I'm using it. Never had "tangle" issues with it and I don't use manual pick ups.
It has much better abarasion resistance which is a big plus fisihing off a pier or rig. And as others have mentioned it casts further.
I've caught plenty of Kings on braid.... doesn't seem to bother them a bit.
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T-wagon
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I plan on using a mono top shot of about 125yds, backed with 20lb Power Pro braid. The braid is durable and long-lasting, so I'll change out the top shots and keep the braid. Fishing the mono fits in well, and if somebody throws over me when a fish has taken over 125 yds of my line, I don't mind too much if they get burned off. I'm thinkin' multiple strike tangles should occur on the mono, near the time of the strike. If it becomes a problem, I'll reconsider. First, I'll encourage everyone to back their mono with braid. 
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jon tolar
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 ive done this before and so have many others. it works very well.
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seanspots
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I have always used mono,no problems,so I will keep using it.
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Kingfshr
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Yeap mono is just fine for everything....Personally I don't need braid.
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BigKenny
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I think you all are overthinking this. braid is far superior than mono in many ways. Especially when it comes to pier fishing. Mono has its place as well. I use both but when it comes to serious fishing i go with braid. When it comes to the "kill", Braid far outways mono. We can talk this till we're blue in the face. Braid is my personal weapon on real fish. I dont care how many lines it cuts or tangles. I've caught 90# ling with mono. If I had braid , I would be more confident on dealing with the fish. You have to baby the fish more with mono. JMHOP! Fish with what your comfortable with.  Or just Shut up & fish!
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robertyb
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| BigKenny wrote: | | I think you all are overthinking this. braid is far superior than mono in many ways. Especially when it comes to pier fishing. Mono has its place as well. I use both but when it comes to serious fishing i go with braid. When it comes to the "kill", Braid far outways mono. We can talk this till we're blue in the face. Braid is my personal weapon on real fish. I dont care how many lines it cuts or tangles. I've caught 90# ling with mono. If I had braid , I would be more confident on dealing with the fish. You have to baby the fish more with mono. JMHOP! Fish with what your comfortable with. Or just Shut up & fish! |
Good post Kenny. Tell it as you see it! 
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the original pier pest
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Here toss this in the mono fight. I put a 500 plus pound blue marlin at the back of a boat in 12 minutes and opened up a 16/0 mustad stainless steel hook in the process and never once had a problem with the fishing line.
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jewfish
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Few things are sweeter than the sound of braid burning off hawa rigs.
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robertyb
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| jewfish wrote: | | Few things are sweeter than the sound of braid burning off hawa rigs. |
Predjudiced?
Inquiring minds would like to know?
Even if I do agree.
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jewfish
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Absolutely. I am extremely prejudiced against googans.
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T-wagon
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| the original pier pest wrote: | | Here toss this in the mono fight. I put a 500 plus pound blue marlin at the back of a boat in 12 minutes and opened up a 16/0 mustad stainless steel hook in the process and never once had a problem with the fishing line. |
After seeing you whip the marlin and open the hook, the fishing line probably was afraid to give you a problem. And we thought Hemingway was dead. Ok, Ernest, I give up. What kind of line did you use? (Please don't say 39-thread linen.) 
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the original pier pest
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I don't know it was on the boat we chartered in Hawaii. It was a penn 130 on a bent butt unlimited class rod with 130 pound mono. I am assuming that is was ande but I am not totally shure. I actually got to keep the hook as a souvenir because he was going to throw it away.
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T-wagon
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Congratulations on a great fishing adventure. That 130 lb mono served very well.
I want to use yellow hi-viz mono on the pier. It's easier to see at dawn and dusk. Will kings, etc., hit it just as well as other colors or clear?
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jewfish
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I use #15 Hi-Vis Sufix but I wouldn't recommend tying that hi-vis right to your wire leader. I have a probably 20' section of flourocarbon leader between my hi-vis and the wire.
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kingling
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| Quote: | I use #15 Hi-Vis Sufix but I wouldn't recommend tying that hi-vis right to your wire leader. I have a probably 20' section of flourocarbon leader between my hi-vis and the wire.
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dont get all crazy with it
its just king mackeral
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T-wagon
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| jewfish wrote: | | I use #15 Hi-Vis Sufix but I wouldn't recommend tying that hi-vis right to your wire leader. I have a probably 20' section of flourocarbon leader between my hi-vis and the wire. |
Thanks. That's what I was thinking would be needed.How does the flouro cast? Does the knot go through the guides ok?
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jewfish
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Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot.
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robertyb
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| jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. 
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T-wagon
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| robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? 
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robertyb
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| T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait.
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T-wagon
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| robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait. |
How do we join his cult?
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jewfish
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It's an interesting ritual involving squid juice, a blindfold and other things we can't talk about here.  
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robertyb
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| T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait. |
How do we join his cult? |
I just gave him a beer and let him use my cooler on the pier. He did not include sailfish guideance knowledge at that price though.
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T-wagon
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| robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait. |
How do we join his cult? |
I just gave him a beer and let him use my cooler on the pier. He did not include sailfish guideance knowledge at that price though. |
That's a pretty gross initiation. Who cleans the cooler? 
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robertyb
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| T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait. |
How do we join his cult? |
I just gave him a beer and let him use my cooler on the pier. He did not include sailfish guideance knowledge at that price though. |
That's a pretty gross initiation. Who cleans the cooler? |
The cooler is used for beer and drinks only.
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T-wagon
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| robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | T-wagon wrote: | | robertyb wrote: | | jewfish wrote: | | Yup, goes through just fine. I tie a uni-uni connection and trim down the knot. |
He can cast a country mile even with all the knots. |
That's just wrong. I suspect evil forces at work. Can he command Flipper? |
No to Flipper but he does seem to be able to guide Sailfish to his bait. |
How do we join his cult? |
I just gave him a beer and let him use my cooler on the pier. He did not include sailfish guideance knowledge at that price though. |
That's a pretty gross initiation. Who cleans the cooler? |
The cooler is used for beer and drinks only. |
Oh, ok, good, I was afraid he put a fish in there.
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