How do you tie your king leaders

Tiderider · How do you tie your king leaders

I'd sure like to see someone put togeather a topic on how to build up the ultimate king leader.

Tiderider

What, no one ties up king leaders?!?!?
I usually just tie an overhand knot then twist the tag end around the leader, it holds tight but it doesn't take long to get fouled around the hook. I think Navarre Bob was saying something about snelling sevenstrand onto trebles, I'd like to see that method.

capndan

i dont have a camera, but when i tie a leader, i simply use a figure 8 knot at both the swivel and the trebel hook. pull it tight with pliers or somethin, and cut the tag ends around 1/4 inch. its quick and easy, and i haven had one pull on me yet

Jigslinger

Obie, that's how I do it too. I've heard of people running the sevenstrand through the loop of the hook a second time before tying the overhand knot. I usually wrap it up the leader about 1/4" or so before clipping it tight against the leader. I put a black swivel on the top side the same way and make them around 14" long. Anywhere from a #4 to a #1 4x strong treble depending on how big a bait I'm using.

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Boggy Basin Boy

Bravo Bravo
Calvin lauderdale and shonamen would be proud.
Thanks

Tiderider

Now that's what I'm talking about. KUDO's!!!!!! Calvin, you the man!!!!

T.MASS

Great job Calvin, Ill try to get some pictures of how i do it tomorrow.

reelhard12

ive done that with mono to make a leader...just never with wire, good job!

skipperq1

Calvin,

Great job describing the Navarre Twist, but all us "Grumpy Old Men"
use a figure eight knot to tie on a swivel! Easy to tie one: Just put the wire through the swivel eye, wrap over once, then wrap over again, and put the through loop by the swivel eye and clich it down.

cotton

What is the reason for the preference for sevenstrand over singlestrand wire?

Dow

Sevenstrand flexes, single strang kinks..... Only significant differance is the play that sevenstrand has. Single is just quicker to tie if you don't have a leader straightener on you and only have access to pliers or something similar.

Dow

I mean leader twister*

T.MASS

I start out with an owner size 1 or 1/O hook a swivel and about 3ft of 60# sevenstrand

I put the wire through the eye of the hook and tie an over hand knot

pull the knot tight and start wrapping the wire with 90 degree wraps

make about 6 wraps

trim off tag end of wire

take the swivel and do the same thing as the hook

pull tight and start the wraps

trim tag end

roll up and store away

nb&twil

youll catch more fish if you use 40# seven strand!!!

Jigslinger

uh oh!

capndan

i like 27 or even 18 when the water is clear. i also like my figure 8 knot.

jmitch

Amen on 27!

givnupfreshwater · leaders

Does anyone ever use single stand leader material?

T.MASS

Some people use it but I have seen a lot of fish lost on it so Ill just stick to sevenstrand.

nb&twil

ive caught plenty of fish on single strand, but it seems to kink easier therefore you need to replace it more often. i have caught many fish on the same seven strand leader when they are thick and im too lazy to switch. its not the best idea, but i sure wouldnt feel good about doing it with single strand.

C. Arnold

I used 40# for many years it always worked outstanding. Then last year in late ling season i lost three big kings in three casts due to bite throughs. Dan bitched and bitched. I just didnt understand what the deal was? Maybe they were a breed of extra sharp tooth kings!

Calvin

Dan is your friend. Thats why he didn't want you to use it. :P

capndan

yeah clinton, i have lost more fish to bite throughs on 40 than i have landed...heck, ive lost fewer fish on 18 because of bite throughs than 40. i just plain dont like the stuff!

kingling

that is why i am proud to use 60# sevenstrand

nb&twil

Tiderider

I like 27, it usually doesn't get cut unless I'm putting a ton a pressure on the fish, which usually isn't necessary with kings if you fight them long enough. My problem is I get impatient and make them dance too early at the gaff.

Freespool

I usually use 60 on my big rod. Definitely early in the year. THen in the summer I will put 27 or even 18 on my stradic or this year little Staal.

kingling

im like travis
i use 60 on my big rod
and use 27 on my sahara

Ryan

i used single strand all last year and never lost a king!and it is so much easier to tie so i am gunna stick to that until i start loosing fish..

Fuhrer48

Well im sittin here right now as we speak trying to tie these leaders with 27lb seven strand. I cant get the wraps nearly as tight as showin in the pictures. Do you all have any tips as to how to wrap it so tightly?

Fitzy93

Eyeshadow Mullet · King Leader

I've heard the advantage of using single strand, is the ability to straighten it up more easily than stranded wire by "rubbing between 2 quarters." Haven't tried that yet ..anyone attest to that?

Also, I know for sure.. had cobe shy away from #60 7-strand when using it for my big king rod, but could anyone attest to getting cobes to hit when using #27?

kingling

my father just told me that he caught a 30 lb ling on 27 while mackeral fishing

and yes you can straghten leaders with 2 quarters

DukeDevil91

I've seen plenty of Cobia caught on bigs on 27# sevenstrand wire.

debigone23

jaceboat

this is probally a newbie question but why do u not use 40#?

Mitch

No. 4 VMC hooks, 29# Malin single strand, and 70# Bill Fisher (KROK) swivels. Make the leader 12" to 16" long tie it on to 15# pink Ande.

C.Ness

I am like Ryan, I use single strand, and I tie the haywire knot, usually with a stinger treble hook.

P.Sperry

40lb is cursed. i have seen many many fish lost both big and small to it being bit through. just use 60lb for the larger baits and 27lb for smaller baits.

jaceboat

have any of yall used spro power swivels my friend bought a bunch of them in 50lb test and they were like the size of 10 or 20lb swivels. then tuesday my friend had one of the leaders on i made with those swivels on and hooked a jack it held up but his line snapped so im not sure if they will hold up a entire fight.

kingling

spro swivels=

also
i will always use 60 just becuase i have the piece of mind knowing that i will most likely not get bit through

inshorefisherman

70lb kroc swivels are smaller

jaceboat

seanspots

I love single strand.Malin stealth or hardwire.30#-40#
100# krok swivels
1/0 2x Owner trebles (the friggin' bomb ass hook btw).

4-5 barrel wraps,2-3 haywire wraps,then 3-4 more barrel wraps.

But hey,everyone has their preferences!

BrownMarlin

FishAddict

I'd like to see one of those figure 8 knots if anyone knows of a link to one, all I could find show securing rope ends not attaching anything. That sounds better than what I do.

plotalot

T-wagon

Here's a decent diagram of the figure eight knot for tying a hook or swivel onto sevenstrand:

http://books.google.com/books?id=...result&ct=result&resnum=1

The figure eight is on page 400 of the book shown. Capt. Spurgeon Stowe at Cape Hatteras wouldn't use anything else for kings. He likes to leave a little slack in the knot, letting the hook move freely and absorbing shock from the hit of a big king. To do this leave enough tag end so it doesn't come undone. Some guys on the pier years ago showed me how to snell a hook onto sevenstrand. I don't remember how. Does anybody out there know?

Calvin

BenFishin

I've seen some people fish for kings on a two rod system in south florida. It seems like a system that could work fairly well. I dont see that much around here.

Side question. When rigging your baitfish, whats the best place to hook it?

T-wagon

blaminack

FishAddict

OK guys, I just tied a couple of those figure 8's and I'm liking it. It took less than 1/3 of the time that to takes to wrap them like I've been doing. I 've been making leaders for 35 years and never heard of this knot. Thanks.

FishAddict

In case anyone is interested, I just bought 600 yds of 18# sevenstrand for $13 delivered, attched e-bay link below. If I get it, it's a deal. I'll use it for spanish and clear clear water. They don't have 27#, already checked.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SEVENSTRAND-U...%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

FishAddict

OK, I'm like a kid with a new toy. I just wrapped some leader ends and figure 8 knotted the other end. Believe it or not, the wrapped end broke not the figure 8 knot. I don't know why, but I'm sold. Now I just tried something else that I thought I'd share. I cut the sevenstrand with heavy duty kitchen shears.....they cut it like sewing thread. Maybe everyone else knows about this too, and I'm the last one in the universe to know.

Jigslinger

I've got a pair of rusty old scissors (sharp though), in my box just for that reason.

Jigslinger

Jigslinger

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T-wagon · Re: How I tie my king leaders

For your single strand leaders, the 'haywire twist' is recommended to tie on hooks and swivels. Here's Mark Sosin showing how to tie it:

blaminack

Haywire is the way I do it. No little knubby tag end to slice you up when handling the leader with a fish on it, and less to snag on when in the water next to other baits. Obviously you still have the treble hook there but the clean snap off of the haywire leaves one less place for line to catch.

plotalot

Yeah the first time one sinks a tag end of single strand in their finger from merely clipping it, is when most give up on single strand or learn to make a proper haywire twist connection.

BrownMarlin

sevenstrand all the way

T-wagon

BrownMarlin

rabbit

i like to snell to a #4 mustad 4x strong black treble hook, and then i figure 8 to the swivel. i usually tie my leader around 18 inches. thats a little long for me, but if i need to cut a hook off, it leaves me plenty to tie on another hook without having to do another entire leader. if i cut a hook off and tie on another, i just do the figure 8 at the hook, but i still like the snell better.

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